HYSCCN

[YCrevolution]

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[Renzo]

This thread just keeps delivering. It's like the FedEx of threads.

[rayiner]

In the end though, when the OP asks a general question about placement, the weight of the school's name matters. When you individualize the question based on the student, the student's goals, the firm, the region, and so forth, other data is certainly more appropriate.

I disagree. I think law students have a very simple question in mind: what are the job prospects at various schools? The weight of a school's name is one factor in that, but you cannot correctly answer the question without taking into account things like school size, region, etc. GULC's lawyer/judge reputation is the same as Penn's. ITE, which school would you rather be at? Virginia's lawyer/judge reputation is the same as Chicago's. ITE, which school would you rather be at?

If you look at the 2009 OCI reports that are coming back, you'll see that it doesn't really justify all the splitting of hairs that has been going on in this thread. Unless Michigan is at 70% of people employed through OCI and nobody told me.

You disagree with the assertion that the weight of the school's name matters? I'm not saying it's the only factor that matters, but it's certainly not irrelevant. Also, and this is only a technicality, but I've been looking at the combined scores, not the lawyer/judge scores alone, and they separate the schools you mentioned above.

I disagree that school name is the only thing that matters when the OP asks a question about general employment prospects. You keep conflating prestige and placement and it makes things confusing.

[Renzo]

LOL!

Well played, but I've also been on for a year and a half so the per/day ratio actually ends up being a lot smaller.

Typically, as happened with me, when posters go to school they start posting a lot less.

You've managed to amass 3x my post count with a 6 month head-start. Nerd. Go play outside.

[showNprove]

In the end though, when the OP asks a general question about placement, the weight of the school's name matters. When you individualize the question based on the student, the student's goals, the firm, the region, and so forth, other data is certainly more appropriate.

I disagree. I think law students have a very simple question in mind: what are the job prospects at various schools? The weight of a school's name is one factor in that, but you cannot correctly answer the question without taking into account things like school size, region, etc. GULC's lawyer/judge reputation is the same as Penn's. ITE, which school would you rather be at? Virginia's lawyer/judge reputation is the same as Chicago's. ITE, which school would you rather be at?

If you look at the 2009 OCI reports that are coming back, you'll see that it doesn't really justify all the splitting of hairs that has been going on in this thread. Unless Michigan is at 70% of people employed through OCI and nobody told me.

You disagree with the assertion that the weight of the school's name matters? I'm not saying it's the only factor that matters, but it's certainly not irrelevant. Also, and this is only a technicality, but I've been looking at the combined scores, not the lawyer/judge scores alone, and they separate the schools you mentioned above.

I disagree that school name is the only thing that matters when the OP asks a question about general employment prospects. You keep conflating prestige and placement and it makes things confusing.

I never said it was the only thing that matters--I simply said that it does matter. I don't know how long you've been following the thread for, but my first post(s) distinguished between prestige and placement, showing that there is a bigger gap between some schools in terms of prestige or reputation than there is between their placement.

Then, for some reason, I had to defend in subsequent posts that prestige/reputation/name/whatever-you-want-to-call-it does matter in placement. Perhaps you got confused when mallard and I were discussing the relative merits in using the reputation surveys versus the placement statistics to measure "prestige," but I never claimed that the name was the only thing that mattered in terms of job placement (I had said or implied repeatedly that it is not).

[of Benito Cereno]

shut up. shut up. shut up.

[badfish]

LOL!

Well played, but I've also been on for a year and a half so the per/day ratio actually ends up being a lot smaller.

Typically, as happened with me, when posters go to school they start posting a lot less.

You've managed to amass 3x my post count with a 6 month head-start. Nerd. Go play outside.

Yea, we should hang out IRL sometime, you know considering we just might be in class together.

[mwazaumoja]

I don't understand how people who aren't in law school feel like they actually understand what is going on in the field of legal employment. Most law students don't really have an idea, I can put it this way: if you're an asshole, you don't do well under pressure, or you interview badly going to Harvard is not going to be your salvation. Further, if you're struggling to get into a law school, do you honestly think you'll be above the median?

If you're gonna take a risk, just take it, and chill out. Look at some of the big firms in DC, LA, Atlanta, and Houston. Look through where the associates went? Not a lot of T-14s, and you don't see 3Ls from Columbia all of a sudden deciding they are gonna displace the 3Ls at UCLA from their cushy firm jobs. Rankings are stupid, and don't mean nearly as much as you think when applying. Yale, Harvard and Stanford aren't some golden tickets to a future, they may be a ticket to a more prestigious (but equally fulfilling) career, but even that's not the case.

When you get to law school you're going to have to grind just like everyone else, so just wait until you get there to start dreaming about the apocalypse (2012).

That's my rant.

[Doritos]

lol this thread blew all the way up

[Renzo]

LOL!

Well played, but I've also been on for a year and a half so the per/day ratio actually ends up being a lot smaller.

Typically, as happened with me, when posters go to school they start posting a lot less.

You've managed to amass 3x my post count with a 6 month head-start. Nerd. Go play outside.

Yea, we should hang out IRL sometime, you know considering we just might be in class together.

I might be making it up, but I thought you said something once that made me think you were in a different section. But we could be in the same elective...

[badfish]

LOL!

Well played, but I've also been on for a year and a half so the per/day ratio actually ends up being a lot smaller.

Typically, as happened with me, when posters go to school they start posting a lot less.

You've managed to amass 3x my post count with a 6 month head-start. Nerd. Go play outside.

Yea, we should hang out IRL sometime, you know considering we just might be in class together.

I might be making it up, but I thought you said something once that made me think you were in a different section. But we could be in the same elective...

did you read McCulloch this weekend?

[Doritos]

Is the HYSCCN cluster that much better than the rest of the T10? Now are the prospects coming out of MVPB (suck it B) significantly worse than HYSCCN? It seems I read a lot about how awesome HYSCCN is and it seems kinda weird that it's top 6 v. top 10. I would think that the gap wouldn't be that ridiculous but drop some wisdom on me TLS.

this is the correct way to look at it :

for prestige -
HYS >>>> CCN >> rest of top 14

(Cali is a different story because Boalt would be ranked much higher)

for placement
HYS >>> CCN > MVPB > rest of top 14

(in reality the placement of HYS is not significantly different except for clerkships and some other factors. Also note that the gap between MVPB and the rest of the Top 14 is much smaller than the gap between CCN and MVPB, but it is hard to portray that without being misleading with the '>'s)

In no kind of ranking are CCN mentioned in the same breath as HYS, not based on prestige, not based on placement, not based on anything. I actually think it's funny that you used the HYSCCN acronym, which tells me you are probably from CCN or are about to be.

Nah, I actually am going to UVA in the fall. I just have seen the HYSCCN acronym thrown around here so thought I'd inquire about it

edit: oops posted before i read the whole thread. this guys a douche haha.

[Renzo]

did you read McCulloch this weekend?

Reading... Huh; knew I forgot something...

No, I'm a Properteer.

[UnTouChablE]

Manye I would have given alot to see this thread blow up like it did...

Watching the tape (reading the thread) is still pretty good.

LOL

HYSChi>> CN

[underdawg]

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