UVA >> Georgtown? Really?

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Re: UVA >> Georgtown? Really?

Postby vanwinkle » Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:14 pm

UVA has a high QOL and a low COL. Even if the two schools were equal you still want to live here anyway.

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Re: UVA >> Georgtown? Really?

Postby Jumbo » Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:17 pm

jawsthegreat wrote:The numbers for UVA should be closer to 45% BIGLAW, based upon what I have read.

If you go to the "Discuss your law school" section and read 2009 OCI numbers, it seems that 1/3 are getting biglaw or midlaw at Michigan and Penn. I haven't heard anything about UVA specifically, but I doubt that UVA places significantly better than Mich or Penn.

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Re: UVA >> Georgtown? Really?

Postby CE2JD » Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:17 pm

jawsthegreat wrote:
Jumbo wrote:
oneforship wrote:
Jumbo wrote:I'm not sure if the placement advantage of UVA ITE is worth sacrificing 3 years away from your SO.


The economy would typically emphasize the placement advantage, rather than diminish it. Making it even more valuable, especially at a lower cost.

Assume school A and school B are the same size. In a normal economy, school A places 100 more people in biglaw than school B. ITE when there's only half the number of biglaw jobs available, school A will only place ~50 or so more people in biglaw than school B.

Based on what I've read from 2Ls, biglaw placement ITE is roughly 25-30% at GULC and 30-35% at UVA, with non-GPA factors being especially emphasized. Personally I (who's aiming for biglaw), would rather spend 3 years with my SO than take the 5% placement advantage.


The numbers for UVA should be closer to 45% BIGLAW, based upon what I have read.


No. Are you even a student here yet? Aren't you a 0L? It seems like you're just throwing facts around to make yourself feel better about going to UVA next year.

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Re: UVA >> Georgtown? Really?

Postby oneforship » Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:18 pm

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Re: UVA >> Georgtown? Really?

Postby Jumbo » Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:21 pm

oneforship wrote:
Jumbo wrote:Assume school A and school B are the same size. In a normal economy, school A places 100 more people in biglaw than school B. ITE when there's only half the number of biglaw jobs available, school A will only place ~50 or so more people in biglaw than school B.


But we happen to know schools A and B are not the same size. It's also unreasonable to assume that schools will take a uniform hit in hiring ITE.

The exact same principle exists if the schools are of different sizes. There's just less math required in my hypothetical scenario if the schools were the same size.

The "hit" that GULC and UVA took is "uniform" enough for this comparison. :roll:

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Re: UVA >> Georgtown? Really?

Postby jawsthegreat » Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:24 pm

I don't like you very much CE2JD. :(

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Re: UVA >> Georgtown? Really?

Postby CE2JD » Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:27 pm

jawsthegreat wrote:I don't like you very much CE2JD. :(


Dude... I'm just keepin it real. I don't want you to get here with a shitload of false information. I've spoken with some of the Career Services staff and they pegged the number of TOTAL OCI offers around 50%. Of those, maybe 2/3 are biglaw.

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Re: UVA >> Georgtown? Really?

Postby oneforship » Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:29 pm

Jumbo wrote:
oneforship wrote:
Jumbo wrote:Assume school A and school B are the same size. In a normal economy, school A places 100 more people in biglaw than school B. ITE when there's only half the number of biglaw jobs available, school A will only place ~50 or so more people in biglaw than school B.


But we happen to know schools A and B are not the same size. It's also unreasonable to assume that schools will take a uniform hit in hiring ITE.

The exact same principle exists if the schools are of different sizes. There's just less math required in my hypothetical scenario if the schools were the same size.

The "hit" that GULC and UVA took is "uniform" enough for this comparison. :roll:


Your math is fine, but it doesn't back up your conclusion. Simply because the school A places only 50 more now instead of 100 previously doesn't mean the gap has closed. In your scenario, the gap is exactly the same, the %s and total #s are just lower.

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Re: UVA >> Georgtown? Really?

Postby Jumbo » Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:32 pm

oneforship wrote:Your math is fine, but it doesn't back up your conclusion. Simply because the school A places only 50 more now instead of 100 previously doesn't mean the gap has closed. In your scenario, the gap is exactly the same, the %s and total #s are just lower.

No, for you the gap has closed because now you're half as likely to land within the gap.

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Re: UVA >> Georgtown? Really?

Postby Doritos » Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:33 pm

CE2JD wrote:
jawsthegreat wrote:I don't like you very much CE2JD. :(


Dude... I'm just keepin it real. I don't want you to get here with a shitload of false information. I've spoken with some of the Career Services staff and they pegged the number of TOTAL OCI offers around 50%. Of those, maybe 2/3 are biglaw.



Do people get biglaw offers outside of OCI?

and jaws I'll be your friend. Don't let the internet get you down i'll be in uva with you smiling and enjoying life.

Also, CJ it's your life so live it. One possible alternative to the way you corrected our fellow TLSer Jaws is to say something along the lines of, "Actually, I'm a current student and I spoke w/ OCS and they pegged the total number of OCI offers at 50%. Maybe 2/3 are biglaw." In my scenario I left out any direct insults and cold pricklies just stuck with the facts and conveyed the same thoughts in a much more friendly way. Again, its your life so do what you do just thought I'd point out that there is in fact an alternate way of interacting with people
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Re: UVA >> Georgtown? Really?

Postby oneforship » Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:34 pm

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Re: UVA >> Georgtown? Really?

Postby Jumbo » Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:34 pm

Doritos wrote:Do people get biglaw offers outside of OCI?

Only if you do something special outside of biglaw first. You're not going to work in smalllaw for a year after graduation then land biglaw.

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Re: UVA >> Georgtown? Really?

Postby Jumbo » Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:37 pm

oneforship wrote:
Jumbo wrote:
oneforship wrote:Your math is fine, but it doesn't back up your conclusion. Simply because the school A places only 50 more now instead of 100 previously doesn't mean the gap has closed. In your scenario, the gap is exactly the same, the %s and total #s are just lower.

No, for you the gap has closed because now you're half as likely to land within the gap.


But you still have twice the chance of landing a biglaw job at school A, because it is placing 2x as many students in biglaw.

I don't think you're getting it.

If you're half as likely to land in the gap ITE, then the gap for you has shrunk ITE.

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Re: UVA >> Georgtown? Really?

Postby CE2JD » Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:37 pm

Doritos wrote:
CE2JD wrote:
jawsthegreat wrote:I don't like you very much CE2JD. :(


Dude... I'm just keepin it real. I don't want you to get here with a shitload of false information. I've spoken with some of the Career Services staff and they pegged the number of TOTAL OCI offers around 50%. Of those, maybe 2/3 are biglaw.



Do people get biglaw offers outside of OCI?


Yes. Contrary to Internet-perpetuated misconception, LOTS of people get jobs by contacting firms outside of the OCI process.

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Re: UVA >> Georgtown? Really?

Postby Doritos » Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:39 pm

Jumbo wrote:
Doritos wrote:Do people get biglaw offers outside of OCI?

Only if you do something special outside of biglaw first. You're not going to work in smalllaw for a year after graduation then land biglaw.



I don't mean years down the road I meant like applying for firms outside of OCI. I don't know if people do that or not. I imagine if you went to Tier 4 School of Law and was #1 in your class and wanted to take a shot at biglaw they probably arent coming to your school so you have to apply outside of OCI. I don't know though...

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Re: UVA >> Georgtown? Really?

Postby CE2JD » Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:39 pm

Doritos wrote:Also, CJ it's your life so live it. One possible alternative to the way you corrected our fellow TLSer Jaws is to say something along the lines of, "Actually, I'm a current student and I spoke w/ OCS and they pegged the total number of OCI offers at 50%. Maybe 2/3 are biglaw." In my scenario I left out any direct insults and cold pricklies just stuck with the facts and conveyed the same thoughts in a much more friendly way. Again, its your life so do what you do just thought I'd point out that there is in fact an alternate way of interacting with people


:lol:

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Re: UVA >> Georgtown? Really?

Postby oneforship » Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:40 pm

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Re: UVA >> Georgtown? Really?

Postby uvalaw2013 » Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:47 pm

CE2JD wrote:
Doritos wrote:Also, CJ it's your life so live it. One possible alternative to the way you corrected our fellow TLSer Jaws is to say something along the lines of, "Actually, I'm a current student and I spoke w/ OCS and they pegged the total number of OCI offers at 50%. Maybe 2/3 are biglaw." In my scenario I left out any direct insults and cold pricklies just stuck with the facts and conveyed the same thoughts in a much more friendly way. Again, its your life so do what you do just thought I'd point out that there is in fact an alternate way of interacting with people


:lol:


When is the career center going to actually update their website with info on what happened to the 2009 grads. When are some t14 sites just updated their career center info? Hahaha, I guess when things get better...

That number is scary, and I'm going to UVA next year. It sort of kicks me to the stomach scary.

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Re: UVA >> Georgtown? Really?

Postby Stringer Bell » Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:48 pm

I understand that the UVA ~50% number floating around (which CE semi-confirmed) is total OCI offers, not biglaw. But isn't the GULC ~33% number floating around total OCI offers as well?

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Re: UVA >> Georgtown? Really?

Postby uvalaw2013 » Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:49 pm

Stringer Bell wrote:I understand that the UVA ~50% number floating around (which CE semi-confirmed) is total OCI offers, not biglaw. But isn't the GULC ~33% number floating around total OCI offers as well?


I thought GULC 33% was just biglaw...

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Re: UVA >> Georgtown? Really?

Postby Jumbo » Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:52 pm

Doritos wrote:I don't mean years down the road I meant like applying for firms outside of OCI. I don't know if people do that or not. I imagine if you went to Tier 4 School of Law and was #1 in your class and wanted to take a shot at biglaw they probably arent coming to your school so you have to apply outside of OCI. I don't know though...

Oh yes it's certainly possible. People at top schools do it all the time if they don't want NYC or local markets.

I understand that the UVA ~50% number floating around (which CE semi-confirmed) is total OCI offers, not biglaw. But isn't the GULC ~33% number floating around total OCI offers as well?

I have a friend who's a 1L at GULC right now. He estimated 1/3 biglaw, but I don't think he did a lot of research.

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Re: UVA >> Georgtown? Really?

Postby dresden doll » Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:53 pm

CE2JD wrote:
Doritos wrote:Also, CJ it's your life so live it. One possible alternative to the way you corrected our fellow TLSer Jaws is to say something along the lines of, "Actually, I'm a current student and I spoke w/ OCS and they pegged the total number of OCI offers at 50%. Maybe 2/3 are biglaw." In my scenario I left out any direct insults and cold pricklies just stuck with the facts and conveyed the same thoughts in a much more friendly way. Again, its your life so do what you do just thought I'd point out that there is in fact an alternate way of interacting with people


:lol:


CE wouldn't be CE if he adopted the alternative you propose. And some of us would miss him.

And just so this post isn't entirely off topic - OP, run to UVA absent serious money from GULC.

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Re: UVA >> Georgtown? Really?

Postby uvalaw2013 » Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:54 pm

CE2JD wrote:
Doritos wrote:
CE2JD wrote:
jawsthegreat wrote:I don't like you very much CE2JD. :(


Dude... I'm just keepin it real. I don't want you to get here with a shitload of false information. I've spoken with some of the Career Services staff and they pegged the number of TOTAL OCI offers around 50%. Of those, maybe 2/3 are biglaw.



Do people get biglaw offers outside of OCI?


Yes. Contrary to Internet-perpetuated misconception, LOTS of people get jobs by contacting firms outside of the OCI process.


hahaha, doritos, I'm with you too. But I think that's CE2JD's posting style.

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Re: UVA >> Georgtown? Really?

Postby uvalaw2013 » Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:56 pm

Jumbo wrote:
Doritos wrote:I don't mean years down the road I meant like applying for firms outside of OCI. I don't know if people do that or not. I imagine if you went to Tier 4 School of Law and was #1 in your class and wanted to take a shot at biglaw they probably arent coming to your school so you have to apply outside of OCI. I don't know though...

Oh yes it's certainly possible. People at top schools do it all the time if they don't want NYC or local markets.

I understand that the UVA ~50% number floating around (which CE semi-confirmed) is total OCI offers, not biglaw. But isn't the GULC ~33% number floating around total OCI offers as well?

I have a friend who's a 1L at GULC right now. He estimated 1/3 biglaw, but I don't think he did a lot of research.


anyone with anymore info to confirm?

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Re: UVA >> Georgtown? Really?

Postby CE2JD » Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:59 pm

My talk with Career Services was back in November, so I wouldn't be surprised if the eventual total of biglaw offers is slightly higher than 33%. Offers seemed to trickle in very late this year.




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