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 Post subject: Re: LSAC seriously needs to make some changes
PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:25 pm 

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Pearalegal wrote:
Helmholtz wrote:
This might shock people on here, but I think the bulk of test takers 1) take the LSAT, 2) expect scores to come when LSAC tells them they will, and 3) are pleasantly surprised if an e-mail with their score comes a few days early.

LSAC doesn't have a responsibility to see you get your scores before the official date of release.


+1. Nor do they have any responsibility other than to make sure the LSAT is administered and graded fairly. As far as I can see, they do so.

They may not have that responsibility, but when they create the expectation that scores will be released early, and there is an obvious way to mitigate the anxiety that comes with the uncertainty of the early release(that's what she said) date, there's no reason they shouldn't act to mitigate that anxiety. Honestly I'd rather them set a firm release date and stick to it.

And yeah, a blog/updates might cause anxiety if implemented poorly, but if for example LSAC came out and said "we are now sure scores won't be released before the 28th," a lot of people would be thankful for that info.

/ramble


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 Post subject: Re: LSAC seriously needs to make some changes
PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:27 pm 
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IHaveDietMoxie wrote:
They may not have that responsibility, but when they create the expectation that scores will be released early, and there is an obvious way to mitigate the anxiety that comes with the uncertainty of the early release(that's what she said) date, there's no reason they shouldn't act to mitigate that anxiety. Honestly I'd rather them set a firm release date and stick to it.

And yeah, a blog/updates might cause anxiety if implemented poorly, but if for example LSAC came out and said "we are now sure scores won't be released before the 28th," a lot of people would be thankful for that info.

/ramble


There's no reason they should bend over backward to mitigate the anxiety. Seriously, why the hell would they even care? Are you going to run to the competing law school admissions service? Personally, I think they do a pretty decent job at what they do, and the fact that they release the scores when they're ready instead of holding them till the official date should be commended, not rebuked as creating angst.


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 Post subject: Re: LSAC seriously needs to make some changes
PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:28 pm 

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IHaveDietMoxie wrote:
Pearalegal wrote:
Helmholtz wrote:
This might shock people on here, but I think the bulk of test takers 1) take the LSAT, 2) expect scores to come when LSAC tells them they will, and 3) are pleasantly surprised if an e-mail with their score comes a few days early.

LSAC doesn't have a responsibility to see you get your scores before the official date of release.


+1. Nor do they have any responsibility other than to make sure the LSAT is administered and graded fairly. As far as I can see, they do so.

They may not have that responsibility, but when they create the expectation that scores will be released early, and there is an obvious way to mitigate the anxiety that comes with the uncertainty of the early release(that's what she said) date, there's no reason they shouldn't act to mitigate that anxiety. Honestly I'd rather them set a firm release date and stick to it.

And yeah, a blog/updates might cause anxiety if implemented poorly, but if for example LSAC came out and said "we are now sure scores won't be released before the 28th," a lot of people would be thankful for that info.

/ramble


Get over it. The gave you a score release date, and you'll probably get them early.


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 Post subject: Re: LSAC seriously needs to make some changes
PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:29 pm 

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Dwaterman86 wrote:
Get over it. The gave you a score release date, and you'll probably get them early.



This.


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 Post subject: Re: LSAC seriously needs to make some changes
PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:39 pm 

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I love my LSAC overlords....


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 Post subject: Re: LSAC seriously needs to make some changes
PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:42 pm 

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I don't really have anything to get over, I'm fine. But if you look at the "waiting" thread, you see that people are anxious for days on end. This thread is about changes that should be made, so I made one suggestion that makes good sense to me. I wasn't referring to responsibilities or rights, but to efficacy.

edit: also, making a suggestion isn't a rebuke.


Last edited by IHaveDietMoxie on Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:44 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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 Post subject: Re: LSAC seriously needs to make some changes
PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:43 pm 

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Fail thread.


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 Post subject: Re: LSAC seriously needs to make some changes
PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:45 pm 

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this would best be settled over a licensed Jello wrestling match between the fine ladies


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 Post subject: Re: LSAC seriously needs to make some changes
PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:45 pm 

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i'm a dude, but ok...


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 Post subject: Re: LSAC seriously needs to make some changes
PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:46 pm 

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DannyJames wrote:
this would best be settled over a licensed Jello wrestling match between the fine ladies

:roll:


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 Post subject: Re: LSAC seriously needs to make some changes
PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:47 pm 

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IHaveDietMoxie wrote:
I don't really have anything to get over, I'm fine. But if you look at the "waiting" thread, you see that people are anxious for days on end. This thread is about changes that should be made, so I made one suggestion that makes good sense to me. I wasn't referring to responsibilities or rights, but to efficacy.


I agree.
Seriously, this thread is about suggestions and what would reduce our anxiety as test takers. To be really honest, the entire expectations that have been created due to gaining knowledge about the general tendency for LSAC to release scores anytime from 17 and 25 days, makes test-takers like us want LSAC to make some minor changes.

This isn't a formal petition directed to LSAC. It's a general discussion of potential changes that would benefit test-takers like ones that come on TLS.

If you are highly offended with the topic under discussion, you may just want to stay away from this thread. That's what I would do. :)


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 Post subject: Re: LSAC seriously needs to make some changes
PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:50 pm 

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gltm wrote:
IHaveDietMoxie wrote:
I don't really have anything to get over, I'm fine. But if you look at the "waiting" thread, you see that people are anxious for days on end. This thread is about changes that should be made, so I made one suggestion that makes good sense to me. I wasn't referring to responsibilities or rights, but to efficacy.


I agree.
Seriously, this thread is about suggestions and what would reduce our anxiety as test takers. To be really honest, the entire expectations that have been created due to gaining knowledge about the general tendency for LSAC to release scores anytime from 17 and 25 days, makes test-takers like us want LSAC to make some minor changes.

This isn't a formal petition directed to LSAC. It's a general discussion of potential changes that would benefit test-takers like ones that come on TLS.

If you are highly offended with the topic under discussion, you may just want to stay away from this thread. That's what I would do. :)


Don't open the e-mail until January 4th. Problem solved.


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 Post subject: Re: LSAC seriously needs to make some changes
PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:51 pm 

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Dwaterman86 wrote:
gltm wrote:
IHaveDietMoxie wrote:
I don't really have anything to get over, I'm fine. But if you look at the "waiting" thread, you see that people are anxious for days on end. This thread is about changes that should be made, so I made one suggestion that makes good sense to me. I wasn't referring to responsibilities or rights, but to efficacy.


I agree.
Seriously, this thread is about suggestions and what would reduce our anxiety as test takers. To be really honest, the entire expectations that have been created due to gaining knowledge about the general tendency for LSAC to release scores anytime from 17 and 25 days, makes test-takers like us want LSAC to make some minor changes.

This isn't a formal petition directed to LSAC. It's a general discussion of potential changes that would benefit test-takers like ones that come on TLS.

If you are highly offended with the topic under discussion, you may just want to stay away from this thread. That's what I would do. :)


Don't open the e-mail until January 4th. Problem solved.


Easier said than done. :P


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 Post subject: Re: LSAC seriously needs to make some changes
PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:51 pm 

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well, if i do well enough to not retake i hope it stays the same for LSAC. every future taker should suffer the same way i did...

and zep, it's a joke, i hope it didn't rattle your halo


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 Post subject: Re: LSAC seriously needs to make some changes
PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 8:45 pm 

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Nope, wars are boring. Its all humankind ever seems to do, not fighting in any wars would be more unique and interesting.


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 Post subject: Re: LSAC seriously needs to make some changes
PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 8:56 pm 

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DannyJames wrote:
this would best be settled over a licensed Jello wrestling match between the fine ladies


Jello is way too sticky. There better be a heated pool nearby.


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 Post subject: Re: LSAC seriously needs to make some changes
PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:02 pm 

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lol topless jacuzzi wrestling sounds nice


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 Post subject: Re: LSAC seriously needs to make some changes
PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:04 pm 

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Jacuzzi wrestling sounds dangerous. :P


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 Post subject: Re: LSAC seriously needs to make some changes
PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:20 pm 

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“If you're in a war, instead of throwing a hand grenade at the enemy, throw one of those small pumpkins. Maybe it'll make everyone think how stupid war is, and while they are thinking, you can throw a real grenade at them.”

--Jack Handey


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 Post subject: Re: LSAC seriously needs to make some changes
PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 2:07 pm 

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LSAC's delay in scoring the tests (a few weeks) doesn't bother me so much. AAMC's delay in scoring the MCAT does. Any other computer test (the GMAT, the GRE, the DAT, etc.) pops up a score as soon as you're done. Now, for the GMAT and GRE, the essays aren't graded yet, but who cares? They give you the numbers for the multiple-choice sections, anyway, and you get a letter or an e-mail a few weeks later with your essay grade. But even though AAMC could do precisely that with the MCAT, they choose not to, and they wait about a month until your essay is scored before sending your multiple-choice scores. Why? Why the heck do they have to do that? It's not like they don't know what your score is already. It's not as though your score is going to change over the next month as they score the essay. If there is a reason for them to do this (and I can imagine a few, but they're more horrifying than sensible, really), I've never heard it.

So yeah, I don't really mind the LSAT taking a few weeks. The security regulations (no water?) are a little ridiculous, but then again, so are people's efforts to cheat on these tests, so I guess they're there for a reason. At least LSAC isn't obsessed with test secrecy to an unreasonable degree, which some other tests are. If you're studying for the LSAT, you have ~60 released tests to play with. If you're studying for the MCAT, you have 8, and a few of those are sketchy anyway. If you're studying for something more obscure, such as the GRE Physics Subject Test, you have 4. For the SAT Physics Subject Test, you have 1. Seriously.

Thus, while we may have some complaints about LSAC, they do a much better job than most test-making companies.


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 Post subject: Re: LSAC seriously needs to make some changes
PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 2:39 pm 

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tomwatts wrote:
LSAC's delay in scoring the tests (a few weeks) doesn't bother me so much. AAMC's delay in scoring the MCAT does. Any other computer test (the GMAT, the GRE, the DAT, etc.) pops up a score as soon as you're done. Now, for the GMAT and GRE, the essays aren't graded yet, but who cares? They give you the numbers for the multiple-choice sections, anyway, and you get a letter or an e-mail a few weeks later with your essay grade. But even though AAMC could do precisely that with the MCAT, they choose not to, and they wait about a month until your essay is scored before sending your multiple-choice scores. Why? Why the heck do they have to do that? It's not like they don't know what your score is already. It's not as though your score is going to change over the next month as they score the essay. If there is a reason for them to do this (and I can imagine a few, but they're more horrifying than sensible, really), I've never heard it.

So yeah, I don't really mind the LSAT taking a few weeks. The security regulations (no water?) are a little ridiculous, but then again, so are people's efforts to cheat on these tests, so I guess they're there for a reason. At least LSAC isn't obsessed with test secrecy to an unreasonable degree, which some other tests are. If you're studying for the LSAT, you have ~60 released tests to play with. If you're studying for the MCAT, you have 8, and a few of those are sketchy anyway. If you're studying for something more obscure, such as the GRE Physics Subject Test, you have 4. For the SAT Physics Subject Test, you have 1. Seriously.

Thus, while we may have some complaints about LSAC, they do a much better job than most test-making companies.


Or it could be like the Fundamentals of Engineering exam. Eight hour test, can't even bring your own pencils for it, and they take up to twelve weeks to get your score for what is a pass/fail test. Although they can get out in less than twelve weeks, as my bf just got his results and he took it in late October.

Personally, I was pleasantly surprised to get my score early back in June. I hadn't found TLS yet and didn't know they usually released them early.


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 Post subject: Re: LSAC seriously needs to make some changes
PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 2:41 pm 

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Trifles wrote:
Nope, wars are boring. Its all humankind ever seems to do, not fighting in any wars would be more unique and interesting.


Are you a hipster, because you'd make an excellent one.


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 Post subject: Re: LSAC seriously needs to make some changes
PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 2:44 pm 

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gltm wrote:
Here is what I propose they need to change:

1) Change the score-release date as soon as they're certain when they will be released. For instance, I'm confident LSAC emoloyees know now when they will post our scores (most likely either today or on the 28th), so instead of waiting on the day of, they should change our dates ASAP.

2) Hire more staff!! It is ridiculous for law-school hopefuls to wait SO long for their test scores to be released. With more staff, LSAC may be able to process scores within a week. By having to wait so long, it's unfair for those who discover they scored measily on the test and plan to re-wriite the LSAT. A three-week time period of not studying at all for the LSAT is enough for these test-takers to completely forget some of the skills they attained from studying.

3) Reduce the list of LSAT offenses. I understand why cell phones shouldn't be permitted, or why hoodies are bad, and etc, but drinking water during the test shouldn't be prohibited. When proctors write up test-takers for the silliest things (i.e. because a test-writer drank water) it is pathetic. LSAC needs to realize that some of their rules are pointless and earnestly work to diminish them.

That is all. :)
Feel free to add more points.


I suppose you're willing to pay for #2? Because applying to law school isn't prohibitively expensive for some people already...


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