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 Post subject: How well would a J.D./ M.P.P. serve my purposes?
PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 5:08 pm 

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So, I'm having trouble figuring out whether I should just go into education policy or whether it would be better for me to get a J.D./M.P.P. I want to formulate the contents of particular education policies, but I also want to get them passed. Would I be more capable of doing this with some kind of degree in education policy alone or with a J.D./M.P.P.? In your opinion, how great would the difference be between these two degrees in the capability they would each afford me? Please explain the reasons for your answers. Thank you very much for your help

Autif


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 Post subject: Re: How well would a J.D./ M.P.P. serve my purposes?
PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 6:33 pm 

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Given what you want to do, I don't think the JD will serve any purpose other than putting yourself in more debt. A MPP in educational policy alone is sufficient


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 Post subject: Re: How well would a J.D./ M.P.P. serve my purposes?
PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 6:39 pm 

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Hardly.

Last time I checked the employment section of the paper, there was no section that said "Education Policy Crafter Wanted." This is a political field which means that you either have to have excellent credentials as an expert (PhD and well published and admin experience) to be appointed to a relevant position or work your way up the political totem pole. Either a JD or an MPP would might get you going in that sphere, but its going to be an uphill battle.

In conclusion, if you make a series of correct decisions over the next fifteen to twenty years, you may be able to do what you've stated.


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 Post subject: Re: How well would a J.D./ M.P.P. serve my purposes?
PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 6:40 pm 

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capitalacq wrote:
Given what you want to do, I don't think the JD will serve any purpose other than putting yourself in more debt. A MPP in educational policy alone is sufficient


Ok, thanks for your suggestion.


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 Post subject: Re: How well would a J.D./ M.P.P. serve my purposes?
PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 6:41 pm 

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Oblomov wrote:
Hardly.

Last time I checked the employment section of the paper, there was no section that said "Education Policy Crafter Wanted." This is a political field which means that you either have to have excellent credentials as an expert (PhD and well published and admin experience) to be appointed to a relevant position or work your way up the political totem pole. Either a JD or an MPP would might get you going in that sphere, but its going to be an uphill battle.

In conclusion, if you make a series of correct decisions over the next fifteen to twenty years, you may be able to do what you've stated.

sufficient probably wasn't the right word for me to use

anyway, with an MPP, I don't think it would be too difficult to get a job as a LC for a congressman and work your way into an LA position that covers education within a few years... or work for an organization like the NEA


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 Post subject: Re: How well would a J.D./ M.P.P. serve my purposes?
PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 6:53 pm 

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Yep. No one is trying to get those jobs.


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 Post subject: Re: How well would a J.D./ M.P.P. serve my purposes?
PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 7:30 pm 

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capitalacq wrote:
Oblomov wrote:
Hardly.

Last time I checked the employment section of the paper, there was no section that said "Education Policy Crafter Wanted." This is a political field which means that you either have to have excellent credentials as an expert (PhD and well published and admin experience) to be appointed to a relevant position or work your way up the political totem pole. Either a JD or an MPP would might get you going in that sphere, but its going to be an uphill battle.

In conclusion, if you make a series of correct decisions over the next fifteen to twenty years, you may be able to do what you've stated.

sufficient probably wasn't the right word for me to use

anyway, with an MPP, I don't think it would be too difficult to get a job as a LC for a congressman and work your way into an LA position that covers education within a few years... or work for an organization like the NEA


Sorry, what does LC stand for?


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 Post subject: Re: How well would a J.D./ M.P.P. serve my purposes?
PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 8:58 pm 

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Autif wrote:
capitalacq wrote:
Oblomov wrote:
Hardly.

Last time I checked the employment section of the paper, there was no section that said "Education Policy Crafter Wanted." This is a political field which means that you either have to have excellent credentials as an expert (PhD and well published and admin experience) to be appointed to a relevant position or work your way up the political totem pole. Either a JD or an MPP would might get you going in that sphere, but its going to be an uphill battle.

In conclusion, if you make a series of correct decisions over the next fifteen to twenty years, you may be able to do what you've stated.

sufficient probably wasn't the right word for me to use

anyway, with an MPP, I don't think it would be too difficult to get a job as a LC for a congressman and work your way into an LA position that covers education within a few years... or work for an organization like the NEA


Sorry, what does LC stand for?


legislative correspondent

That totem pole typically is Staff Assistant (front desk/phones/manage interns) --> Legislative Correspondent (communicate with constituents, work for LA) --> Legislative Assistant (deals with lobbyists/prepares briefs the congressman/works with committee staff) --> Legislative Director

Honestly, it's not too difficult to find a job as an LC if you do a top MPP program (or to find a staff assistant job and become an LC in a few months). You might not be able to find one that deals with education right away, but you can probably gradually take on that responsibility


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 Post subject: Re: How well would a J.D./ M.P.P. serve my purposes?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:51 pm 

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As a staffer for a senior member on Education and Labor, I would say most LA's & policy advisors in the education field are individuals with an M.P.P or M.P.A. Most of the individuals I know with this specialty have extensive work experience in the education field at non-profits or education oversight.


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 Post subject: Re: How well would a J.D./ M.P.P. serve my purposes?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:29 pm 

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 Post subject: Re: How well would a J.D./ M.P.P. serve my purposes?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:47 pm 

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lsm987 wrote:
I'm in an MPP program and you definitely don't NEED a JD to do policy. That said, it depends on exactly what you want to do. If you want to do non-profit work, don't waste your money on law school. If you want to work on the hill, you could go either way.

I want to lobby and while a JD isn't necessary, it will help me get where I want to go faster (signaling, for you econ types). I also think a JD will give me a more complete perspective on policy making. I work in the health policy field, and have certainly noticed that most of the "important people" have JD's. I don't think that's just because it's the lobbyist pedigree; I think the perspective gives you an advantage to influencing the lawmaking process.

Also, in my experience, it's not that easy to get an LC job especially on the Senate side. There are tons of people vying for those jobs. Not only do you have to have the credentials and be good at what you do, you need to know the right people too.

One final thing- my biggest piece of advice to anyone who thinks they want to do policy work is: work in a policy/ political field first. (You may very well have experience in education policy already, in which case ignore this.) There is so much more to learn "on the ground" than can ever be taught in a classroom. And what is taught in the classroom is usually a good academic exercise, but not really how things actually operate. I'm not saying the MPP is a waste of time; in fact, I think it's an excellent degree to teach someone how to formulate and implement policy ideas in a more systematic, well thought out kind of way. You will definitely get more out of it if you can apply it to what you already know about the political process.


+1

I have a lot of experience working with my state legislature and have been to DC three times to meet with our state's congressional delegation regarding education policy and from what I've seen almost everyone worth talking to has a MPP, MPA or JD. But before doing anything, you should consider an unpaid internship with your congressperson, they're relatively high-stress low-recognition, which is what you'll typically experience. Make sure you like that kind of work before sinking tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of dollars into graduate school.


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