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embarrassed/ashamed of your law school?
yes 25%  25%  [ 47 ]
no 74%  74%  [ 136 ]
Total votes : 183
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 Post subject: Re: anybody ashamed of what law school they go to?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 6:02 pm 

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OperaSoprano wrote:
I don't think anyone should be ashamed. Obviously, most of us understand the nature of legal hiring, and we want to attend the best schools possible to maximize our chances at meaningful employment. The shame, in my experience, is directed inwardly. I felt like a failure because the school I truly wanted would not let me in. I knew my numbers were significantly above median (thanks to YCRev's brilliant number crunching), so this felt very personal. I wasn't ashamed of schools, I was ashamed of myself.

Since my admission, I've found some measure of peace, but I still think about the whirlwind of raw emotion that comes with the application cycle. Ironically, I'm calmer and more together as a 1L than I was during that endless season of waiting. I feel vindicated to some degree, but mostly I feel very, very lucky.



I just puked all over my lap.


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 Post subject: Re: anybody ashamed of what law school they go to?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 6:20 pm 
Princess of Fordham

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neskerdoo wrote:
OperaSoprano wrote:
I don't think anyone should be ashamed. Obviously, most of us understand the nature of legal hiring, and we want to attend the best schools possible to maximize our chances at meaningful employment. The shame, in my experience, is directed inwardly. I felt like a failure because the school I truly wanted would not let me in. I knew my numbers were significantly above median (thanks to YCRev's brilliant number crunching), so this felt very personal. I wasn't ashamed of schools, I was ashamed of myself.

Since my admission, I've found some measure of peace, but I still think about the whirlwind of raw emotion that comes with the application cycle. Ironically, I'm calmer and more together as a 1L than I was during that endless season of waiting. I feel vindicated to some degree, but mostly I feel very, very lucky.



I just puked all over my lap.


Dry cleaning must be a bargain in Ithaca. It's distressingly expensive here.


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 Post subject: Re: anybody ashamed of what law school they go to?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 6:22 pm 

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neskerdoo wrote:
OperaSoprano wrote:
I don't think anyone should be ashamed. Obviously, most of us understand the nature of legal hiring, and we want to attend the best schools possible to maximize our chances at meaningful employment. The shame, in my experience, is directed inwardly. I felt like a failure because the school I truly wanted would not let me in. I knew my numbers were significantly above median (thanks to YCRev's brilliant number crunching), so this felt very personal. I wasn't ashamed of schools, I was ashamed of myself.

Since my admission, I've found some measure of peace, but I still think about the whirlwind of raw emotion that comes with the application cycle. Ironically, I'm calmer and more together as a 1L than I was during that endless season of waiting. I feel vindicated to some degree, but mostly I feel very, very lucky.



I just puked all over my lap.


What in particular did you find nauseating? Nothing in that post jumps out at me as vomit-inducing.


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 Post subject: Re: anybody ashamed of what law school they go to?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 6:26 pm 
Minister of Defense

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OperaSoprano wrote:
neskerdoo wrote:
OperaSoprano wrote:
I don't think anyone should be ashamed. Obviously, most of us understand the nature of legal hiring, and we want to attend the best schools possible to maximize our chances at meaningful employment. The shame, in my experience, is directed inwardly. I felt like a failure because the school I truly wanted would not let me in. I knew my numbers were significantly above median (thanks to YCRev's brilliant number crunching), so this felt very personal. I wasn't ashamed of schools, I was ashamed of myself.

Since my admission, I've found some measure of peace, but I still think about the whirlwind of raw emotion that comes with the application cycle. Ironically, I'm calmer and more together as a 1L than I was during that endless season of waiting. I feel vindicated to some degree, but mostly I feel very, very lucky.



I just puked all over my lap.


Dry cleaning must be a bargain in Ithaca. It's distressingly expensive here.


lol @ thinking neskerdoo washes his pants just because a little vomit


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 Post subject: Re: anybody ashamed of what law school they go to?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 6:28 pm 

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dresden doll wrote:
neskerdoo wrote:
OperaSoprano wrote:
I don't think anyone should be ashamed. Obviously, most of us understand the nature of legal hiring, and we want to attend the best schools possible to maximize our chances at meaningful employment. The shame, in my experience, is directed inwardly. I felt like a failure because the school I truly wanted would not let me in. I knew my numbers were significantly above median (thanks to YCRev's brilliant number crunching), so this felt very personal. I wasn't ashamed of schools, I was ashamed of myself.

Since my admission, I've found some measure of peace, but I still think about the whirlwind of raw emotion that comes with the application cycle. Ironically, I'm calmer and more together as a 1L than I was during that endless season of waiting. I feel vindicated to some degree, but mostly I feel very, very lucky.



I just puked all over my lap.


What in particular did you find nauseating? Nothing in that post jumps out at me as vomit-inducing.



are you serious?


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 Post subject: Re: anybody ashamed of what law school they go to?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 6:34 pm 

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neskerdoo wrote:
dresden doll wrote:
neskerdoo wrote:
OperaSoprano wrote:
I don't think anyone should be ashamed. Obviously, most of us understand the nature of legal hiring, and we want to attend the best schools possible to maximize our chances at meaningful employment. The shame, in my experience, is directed inwardly. I felt like a failure because the school I truly wanted would not let me in. I knew my numbers were significantly above median (thanks to YCRev's brilliant number crunching), so this felt very personal. I wasn't ashamed of schools, I was ashamed of myself.

Since my admission, I've found some measure of peace, but I still think about the whirlwind of raw emotion that comes with the application cycle. Ironically, I'm calmer and more together as a 1L than I was during that endless season of waiting. I feel vindicated to some degree, but mostly I feel very, very lucky.



I just puked all over my lap.


What in particular did you find nauseating? Nothing in that post jumps out at me as vomit-inducing.



are you serious?


WHY SO SERIOUS???


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 Post subject: Re: anybody ashamed of what law school they go to?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 6:44 pm 

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I also agree that no one should be ashamed of the school they go to. I do admit though, that I felt a certain amount of pressure to attend a top school. This "pressure" resulted in a combination of ambition, guilt, shame, sadness, regret, but most importantly, it gave me the drive to really push myself to succeed.

I have met plenty of people who felt proud to attend my old T2, and sometimes, it feels like it is really a matter of perspective. Some of my friends who attended community college or state schools felt really happy and had so much pride to attend a top 100 law school. On the other hand, I had some friends who attended top 20 undergrads who felt like they should have gone to a top school as well. I would never say I was ashamed, and I proudly told people where I went. However, there was a certain "atmosphere," especially at the beginning of the school year where people often talked about where they "wish" they went or where they would want to transfer to in a heartbeat (usually the higher ranked local school). I can certainly see how it could be kind of tough to tell a circle of friends and family (who went to top schools) that you are going to some non-top law school.

From just looking at the poll, I am guessing that there is a certain amount of elitism that may also drive the shame. It is not even surprising to see that a good portion of people do feel that shame, leading to thoughts of transferring. On the other hand, schools try to counter this by instilling in their students a sense of pride. I guess it sucks to hear that some people are really ashamed of their schools, but I guess that is just how it is sometimes. Either way, remember to smile and be happy.


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 Post subject: Re: anybody ashamed of what law school they go to?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 6:45 pm 

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LSATfromNC wrote:
neskerdoo wrote:
are you serious?


WHY SO SERIOUS???


*boom* headshot.


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 Post subject: Re: anybody ashamed of what law school they go to?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 6:49 pm 

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OperaSoprano wrote:
Carnertine wrote:
sigh Fordham


What has my school done now?


haha just playing with you :)


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 Post subject: Re: anybody ashamed of what law school they go to?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 7:20 pm 

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Arrow wrote:
I also agree that no one should be ashamed of the school they go to. I do admit though, that I felt a certain amount of pressure to attend a top school. This "pressure" resulted in a combination of ambition, guilt, shame, sadness, regret, but most importantly, it gave me the drive to really push myself to succeed.

I have met plenty of people who felt proud to attend my old T2, and sometimes, it feels like it is really a matter of perspective. Some of my friends who attended community college or state schools felt really happy and had so much pride to attend a top 100 law school. On the other hand, I had some friends who attended top 20 undergrads who felt like they should have gone to a top school as well. I would never say I was ashamed, and I proudly told people where I went. However, there was a certain "atmosphere," especially at the beginning of the school year where people often talked about where they "wish" they went or where they would want to transfer to in a heartbeat (usually the higher ranked local school). I can certainly see how it could be kind of tough to tell a circle of friends and family (who went to top schools) that you are going to some non-top law school.

From just looking at the poll, I am guessing that there is a certain amount of elitism that may also drive the shame. It is not even surprising to see that a good portion of people do feel that shame, leading to thoughts of transferring. On the other hand, schools try to counter this by instilling in their students a sense of pride. I guess it sucks to hear that some people are really ashamed of their schools, but I guess that is just how it is sometimes. Either way, remember to smile and be happy.


Where did you transfer to arrow? ( I remember you being #1 at your old school)


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 Post subject: Re: anybody ashamed of what law school they go to?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 7:30 pm 

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Funny thread...by the title you would think there would be at least some mention of where in the fu#% people went. But, its really just a bunch of vague responses to a fairly simple question. However, I do have a feeling that OS attends Fordham. Thread should be titled "grass is greener in t-14" and then it would be comprised of a bunch of people that are completely out of touch with reality and never get laid. Let's just label it "a rock and a hard place".....quit your bitching and study or just drop out, nobody forced you to go to ANY particular school.


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 Post subject: Re: anybody ashamed of what law school they go to?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 7:33 pm 
Princess of Fordham

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crazycanuck wrote:
Arrow wrote:
I also agree that no one should be ashamed of the school they go to. I do admit though, that I felt a certain amount of pressure to attend a top school. This "pressure" resulted in a combination of ambition, guilt, shame, sadness, regret, but most importantly, it gave me the drive to really push myself to succeed.

I have met plenty of people who felt proud to attend my old T2, and sometimes, it feels like it is really a matter of perspective. Some of my friends who attended community college or state schools felt really happy and had so much pride to attend a top 100 law school. On the other hand, I had some friends who attended top 20 undergrads who felt like they should have gone to a top school as well. I would never say I was ashamed, and I proudly told people where I went. However, there was a certain "atmosphere," especially at the beginning of the school year where people often talked about where they "wish" they went or where they would want to transfer to in a heartbeat (usually the higher ranked local school). I can certainly see how it could be kind of tough to tell a circle of friends and family (who went to top schools) that you are going to some non-top law school.

From just looking at the poll, I am guessing that there is a certain amount of elitism that may also drive the shame. It is not even surprising to see that a good portion of people do feel that shame, leading to thoughts of transferring. On the other hand, schools try to counter this by instilling in their students a sense of pride. I guess it sucks to hear that some people are really ashamed of their schools, but I guess that is just how it is sometimes. Either way, remember to smile and be happy.


Where did you transfer to arrow? ( I remember you being #1 at your old school)


Oh, he went to Berkeley. Arrow is truly awesome and deserves much happiness there.


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 Post subject: Re: anybody ashamed of what law school they go to?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 7:39 pm 
Princess of Fordham

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Carnertine wrote:
OperaSoprano wrote:
Carnertine wrote:
sigh Fordham


What has my school done now?


haha just playing with you :)


<3 I wish all of you guys were here in New York. We're getting ready for a party (I'm supposed to be vacuuming, not TLSing) and we have plenty of wine and vodka for all. *lost in nostalgia for summer meetups* I wonder what Nesker's like in person.

I have just been reprimanded for not cleaning.


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 Post subject: Re: anybody ashamed of what law school they go to?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 7:42 pm 

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OperaSoprano wrote:
Carnertine wrote:
OperaSoprano wrote:
Carnertine wrote:
sigh Fordham


What has my school done now?


haha just playing with you :)


<3 I wish all of you guys were here in New York. We're getting ready for a party (I'm supposed to be vacuuming, not TLSing) and we have plenty of wine and vodka for all. *lost in nostalgia for summer meetups* I wonder what Nesker's like in person.

I have just been reprimanded for not cleaning.


I am on my way. What times it start?


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 Post subject: Re: anybody ashamed of what law school they go to?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 7:48 pm 

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rayiner wrote:
Most people I've met feel pretty secure about it, but I did mee this girl who let me know in the first 10 min she was waitlisted at CLS...

Personally, I'm thrilled. The joys of being WL/in. :)


+1


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 Post subject: Re: anybody ashamed of what law school they go to?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 8:00 pm 
Princess of Fordham

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Splitt3r wrote:
rayiner wrote:
Most people I've met feel pretty secure about it, but I did mee this girl who let me know in the first 10 min she was waitlisted at CLS...

Personally, I'm thrilled. The joys of being WL/in. :)


+1


Waitlist admits rejoice! No one is more appreciative than we are, lol.

Carnertine: It starts at 9. I didn't know you were here!

I wish I was one of those sick people who cleans their apartment for fun. :P


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 Post subject: Re: anybody ashamed of what law school they go to?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 9:05 pm 

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OperaSoprano wrote:

Carnertine: It starts at 9. I didn't know you were here!

I wish I was one of those sick people who cleans their apartment for fun. :P


It's already started!@!#$ ahh I am strolling through the streets, but I don't see any balloons...


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 Post subject: Re: anybody ashamed of what law school they go to?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 9:10 pm 

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OperaSoprano wrote:
Has TLS reached a new level of elitism whereby nothing south of Yale will do?


ITE. . .


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 Post subject: Re: anybody ashamed of what law school they go to?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 11:30 pm 

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definitely not at my first choice law school now and I am desperately gunning to try to transfer up. Maybe if I don't do so well, I will just drop out after 1L--i'll see how it goes...


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 Post subject: Re: anybody ashamed of what law school they go to?
PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 12:06 am 
The Texas Hammer

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I'm ashamed of my school's football team, losing to a Div-II and an unranked Div-I team. Being from Texas I expect, nay, demand bowl-worthy teams!


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 Post subject: Re: anybody ashamed of what law school they go to?
PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 12:14 am 

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bohogurl wrote:
I go to a lower tier 1 in a major city and probably most of my classmates are ashamed of where they are going (everybody is gunning to try to transfer to a more prestigious/respectable school)

Fordham, GW, one of the Loyolas or Harvard?


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 Post subject: Re: anybody ashamed of what law school they go to?
PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 12:31 am 

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mikeytwoshoes wrote:
bohogurl wrote:
I go to a lower tier 1 in a major city and probably most of my classmates are ashamed of where they are going (everybody is gunning to try to transfer to a more prestigious/respectable school)

Fordham, GW, one of the Loyolas or Harvard?


No, worse--one of the Maryland/American/George Mason's in DC.


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 Post subject: Re: anybody ashamed of what law school they go to?
PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 1:00 am 

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bohogurl wrote:
mikeytwoshoes wrote:
bohogurl wrote:
I go to a lower tier 1 in a major city and probably most of my classmates are ashamed of where they are going (everybody is gunning to try to transfer to a more prestigious/respectable school)

Fordham, GW, one of the Loyolas or Harvard?


No, worse--one of the Maryland/American/George Mason's in DC.


In your situation then, you've got a prima facie case for being embarrassed.


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 Post subject: Re: anybody ashamed of what law school they go to?
PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 2:18 pm 
Princess of Fordham

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bedbathandbeheadings wrote:
bohogurl wrote:
mikeytwoshoes wrote:
bohogurl wrote:
I go to a lower tier 1 in a major city and probably most of my classmates are ashamed of where they are going (everybody is gunning to try to transfer to a more prestigious/respectable school)

Fordham, GW, one of the Loyolas or Harvard?


No, worse--one of the Maryland/American/George Mason's in DC.


In your situation then, you've got a prima facie case for being embarrassed.


This is ridiculous, and honestly one of my few criticisms of TLS. Anyone going to any school needs to know the realities of legal hiring at that school: where graduates tend to work, and the kinds of jobs they get. It's possible to be well informed, and to make sound educational decisions based upon this information. Embarrassment is counterproductive, and the cruel product of giving heed to the few people on here who seem to think students at non-elite schools should be ashamed of themselves.


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 Post subject: Re: anybody ashamed of what law school they go to?
PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 2:30 pm 

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bedbathandbeheadings wrote:
bohogurl wrote:
mikeytwoshoes wrote:
bohogurl wrote:
I go to a lower tier 1 in a major city and probably most of my classmates are ashamed of where they are going (everybody is gunning to try to transfer to a more prestigious/respectable school)

Fordham, GW, one of the Loyolas or Harvard?


No, worse--one of the Maryland/American/George Mason's in DC.


In your situation then, you've got a prima facie case for being embarrassed.


I agree that this is an utterly boneheaded statement. Many students go to these schools for various reasons. Not all of them had higher ambitions of getting into a better school and failed in that respect. For many students, these schools perfectly met their needs. To say that they have a reason to be embarassed shows quite a bit of ignorance and immaturity on your part.


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