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logicianwannabe
 Post subject: how hard to get clerkships from median at lower T14
PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 11:27 am 

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currently 0L, but interested in clerkships. If I get 3.35 (Cornell median), and no law review but do get some other journal, how likely is it that I could get a federal clerkship of some sort? Even if it's the Magistrate judge of the District of the Northern Mariana Islands or the Northern District of Alaska?
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rayiner
 Post subject: Re: how hard to get clerkships from median at lower T14
PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 11:28 am 

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logicianwannabe wrote:
currently 0L, but interested in clerkships. If I get 3.35 (Cornell median), and no law review but do get some other journal, how likely is it that I could get a federal clerkship of some sort? Even if it's the Magistrate judge of the District of the Northern Mariana Islands or the Northern District of Alaska?


On that note. How hard is it to get a COA clerkship for the Federal Circuit from the lower T14? I've heard it is substantially easier than the other COA clerkships...
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Mark71121
 Post subject: Re: how hard to get clerkships from median at lower T14
PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 11:46 am 

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rayiner wrote:
logicianwannabe wrote:
currently 0L, but interested in clerkships. If I get 3.35 (Cornell median), and no law review but do get some other journal, how likely is it that I could get a federal clerkship of some sort? Even if it's the Magistrate judge of the District of the Northern Mariana Islands or the Northern District of Alaska?


On that note. How hard is it to get a COA clerkship for the Federal Circuit from the lower T14? I've heard it is substantially easier than the other COA clerkships...



http://www.lawclerkaddict.com/
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starstruck393
 Post subject: Re: how hard to get clerkships from median at lower T14
PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 11:53 am 

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Hey, I wouldn't be so quick to hate on the Northern Mariana Islands...

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rayiner
 Post subject: Re: how hard to get clerkships from median at lower T14
PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 11:58 am 

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Mark71121 wrote:
rayiner wrote:
logicianwannabe wrote:
currently 0L, but interested in clerkships. If I get 3.35 (Cornell median), and no law review but do get some other journal, how likely is it that I could get a federal clerkship of some sort? Even if it's the Magistrate judge of the District of the Northern Mariana Islands or the Northern District of Alaska?


On that note. How hard is it to get a COA clerkship for the Federal Circuit from the lower T14? I've heard it is substantially easier than the other COA clerkships...



http://www.lawclerkaddict.com/


Useful site, thanks. But not very much data for the Federal Circuit...


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Mark71121
 Post subject: Re: how hard to get clerkships from median at lower T14
PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 12:01 pm 

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i haven't played around with it much, but what if you click on district along the top?
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rayiner
 Post subject: Re: how hard to get clerkships from median at lower T14
PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 12:06 pm 

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Mark71121 wrote:
i haven't played around with it much, but what if you click on district along the top?


Sorry, I meant Federal Circuit. I managed to find the page for it, LOL.
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TTT-LS
 Post subject: Re: how hard to get clerkships from median at lower T14
PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:24 pm 

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TTT-LS
 Post subject: Re: how hard to get clerkships from median at lower T14
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sstar
 Post subject: Re: how hard to get clerkships from median at lower T14
PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:58 pm 

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TTT-LS wrote:
Absent having cured cancer or something, median + no LR at a lower T14 = only federal magistrates, and even then, maybe only mjs in less sought-after areas. ITE, mjs in places like N.D. Ill. and D.D.C. are going to be flooded with pretty solid applications.

I'll try to chime in on COA later.


hmm, really? How about top 33% from a T20 school with no LR or journal.
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TTT-LS
 Post subject: Re: how hard to get clerkships from median at lower T14
PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 8:15 pm 

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ggocat
 Post subject: Re: how hard to get clerkships from median at lower T14
PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:26 pm 

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TTT-LS wrote:
sstar wrote:
How about top 33% from a T20 school with no LR or journal.

I'm far from an expert, having not gone through the regular clerkship hiring process myself (I went off-plan & only looked at COA). Based on what friends who are looking pretty broadly have told me, I'd say you have an uphill battle for federal judges. While they won't all be applying for clerkships, 32% of your school has better grades, and not having LR can be a killer for many judges. The strength of your faculty connections will matter a lot, as a good recommender who will call for you might change things dramatically. Still, it seems to me like you might be best off (1) talking to your career office to see what they say (since they know far more than anyone on TLS); and (2) starting off with less selective D. Ct. judges in your school's region, plus magistrate judges wherever you have ties. State supreme courts might be one place to look too.

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sstar
 Post subject: Re: how hard to get clerkships from median at lower T14
PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 6:02 pm 

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ggocat wrote:
TTT-LS wrote:
sstar wrote:
How about top 33% from a T20 school with no LR or journal.

I'm far from an expert, having not gone through the regular clerkship hiring process myself (I went off-plan & only looked at COA). Based on what friends who are looking pretty broadly have told me, I'd say you have an uphill battle for federal judges. While they won't all be applying for clerkships, 32% of your school has better grades, and not having LR can be a killer for many judges. The strength of your faculty connections will matter a lot, as a good recommender who will call for you might change things dramatically. Still, it seems to me like you might be best off (1) talking to your career office to see what they say (since they know far more than anyone on TLS); and (2) starting off with less selective D. Ct. judges in your school's region, plus magistrate judges wherever you have ties. State supreme courts might be one place to look too.


I'll probably play up my connections to a flyover state... But I'll work harder this year. Thanks guys.
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TTT-LS
 Post subject: Re: how hard to get clerkships from median at lower T14
PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 6:40 pm 

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LeahNic
 Post subject: Re: how hard to get clerkships from median at lower T14
PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 9:47 pm 

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OP, for what it's worth-- (I think most the board knows I attend Cornell), I asked career services this same question this week. PM me if you want grade information. I'm not on LR but I am on a lesser journal. Obviously at this point I have another semester or two of grades to see if I can move up and who knows if I will be on the e-board of my journal or if I can get published etc.-- lots of variables still.

Career services straight up told me -- I'm not competitive for 2nd circuit CofA at this point-- period. I "might" be for other less desirable circuits. They did say with the rest of my resume (and some strong faculty recs I would likely have) that I'd be competitive for district court clerkships.

I'm hopeful that my grades will continue to go up-- we shall see what happens. Based on what career services said to me-- it sounds like median might be pretty tough.

I do know of a 3L that has my exact gpa, but has law review that just landed a CofA clerkship- although its not in the 2nd circuit.


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Corsair
 Post subject: Re: how hard to get clerkships from median at lower T14
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 2:05 am 
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Honestly, I'll be happy if I can get any district court spot anywhere. Secondary journal + not on the board + not published = not much going for me other than grades.
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Marmot
 Post subject: Re: how hard to get clerkships from median at lower T14
PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 1:36 am 

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Darn, the judge in the Northern Mariana Islands has a career clerk. No fair.
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sstar
 Post subject: Re: how hard to get clerkships from median at lower T14
PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 4:35 pm 

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TTT-LS wrote:
Good luck sstar. Aside from moving your grades a little, the more you can develop solid faculty ties, the better off you'll be. A good faculty rec + phone call to the judge is probably worth 0.2 GPA or more.


Thanks. I'll polish up on my but kissing skills. :)
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soundgardener
 Post subject: Re: how hard to get clerkships from median at lower T14
PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 11:25 pm 

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Excuse my ignorance, but is it common to go straight from LS into a CofA clerkship? I had the impression that you did a district one and then apllied for CofA. Also, how much "better" is a CofA clerkship to have on your resume over a district clerkship?
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TTT-LS
 Post subject: Re: how hard to get clerkships from median at lower T14
PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:32 am 

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evolvedix69
 Post subject: Re: how hard to get clerkships from median at lower T14
PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 7:08 am 

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How harder is it to get a COA clerkship for the Federal Circuit from the lower T14?


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Walksonthebeach
 Post subject: Re: how hard to get clerkships from median at lower T14
PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:41 pm 

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TTT-

What's your opinion on Top 15% from one of MVPB, with a position on the e-board of a secondary journal? Decent chance at a district court clerkship in a competitive city?
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