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 Post subject: Can you get a law firm job without passing the bar?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:33 am 

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i mean like legitimate $$ jobs. do most graduates take the bar right after or work for a firm and take it while working?


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 Post subject: Re: Can you get a law firm job without passing the bar?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:04 am 

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I believe (from anecodetal evidence) that most people start their job by studying for the bar. I worked with a fellow who had recently graduated from WashU-StL and was studying for the bar and searching for a job while waiting at IHOP... he was a stress case- however he mentioned that most of his peers were already working and studying concurrently


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 Post subject: Re: Can you get a law firm job without passing the bar?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:59 am 

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Most of the people I know took it while working. One of the reasons you become a summer associate is to line a job up right after graduation, and that sort of precludes passing the bar beforehand.


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 Post subject: Re: Can you get a law firm job without passing the bar?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:40 pm 

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In California, general practice (for those who managed to find a BigLaw job out of school and are not clerking) is that you:

May: Graduate
July: Take the Bar
Sept/Oct: Start your job
November: Get your Bar Results.

In the past, firms would usually let you fail the Bar once and re-take in February without firing you. Now the rumor is they won't be quite so patient.


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 Post subject: Re: Can you get a law firm job without passing the bar?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 5:24 pm 

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Formerbruin wrote:
In California, general practice (for those who managed to find a BigLaw job out of school and are not clerking) is that you:

May: Graduate
July: Take the Bar
Sept/Oct: Start your job
November: Get your Bar Results.

In the past, firms would usually let you fail the Bar once and re-take in February without firing you. Now the rumor is they won't be quite so patient.

From my understanding, the above is pretty standard no matter what state you are in. Feel free to correct my if I am wrong.


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 Post subject: Re: Can you get a law firm job without passing the bar?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:01 pm 

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azlawlady wrote:
Formerbruin wrote:
In California, general practice (for those who managed to find a BigLaw job out of school and are not clerking) is that you:

May: Graduate
July: Take the Bar
Sept/Oct: Start your job
November: Get your Bar Results.

In the past, firms would usually let you fail the Bar once and re-take in February without firing you. Now the rumor is they won't be quite so patient.

From my understanding, the above is pretty standard no matter what state you are in. Feel free to correct my if I am wrong.


Pretty much true of the major firms. Also, once you have passed the bar your billing rate increases to the standard first year level for your firm (the 1-2 months before getting your Bar results you bill at a lower rate).


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 Post subject: Re: Can you get a law firm job without passing the bar?
PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:36 am 

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azlawlady wrote:
Formerbruin wrote:
In California, general practice (for those who managed to find a BigLaw job out of school and are not clerking) is that you:

May: Graduate
July: Take the Bar
Sept/Oct: Start your job
November: Get your Bar Results.

In the past, firms would usually let you fail the Bar once and re-take in February without firing you. Now the rumor is they won't be quite so patient.

From my understanding, the above is pretty standard no matter what state you are in. Feel free to correct my if I am wrong.


I qualified my statement because the dates people take the bar and the dates they receive results vary. I believe some states get back to you as early as October or as late as December, and the Bar exam itself may be taken in July or August. But the general pattern holds at all major firms I know of.

I'd also like to add that if for whatever reason you don't get a job straight out of law school, firms generally won't hire you until you have received your bar results. So, for example, those who had offers at Heller Ehrman who did not re-interview this season will have to wait until November (at the earliest) before they can even interview for jobs, instead of getting the extra 2 months or so of work in before results are received. And if they fail the bar, they'll have to wait another 6 months.


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