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 Post subject: GPA vs. LSAT heavy
PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 2:42 am 

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Which schools in the top 30 are heavy on GPA? Which are heavy on LSAT?


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 2:59 am 

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All top 30 schools are heavy on LSAT. Stanford, Berkeley, and UCLA seem to stress GPA relatively more than the other schools, but still lay a great stress on LSAT score.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 3:28 am 

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What about Michigan, Northwestern, Penn, GW, Fordham and Georgetown?


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 7:08 am 

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to my knowledge, none of the GPA-Heavy schools will consider high GPA/low LSAT students, and I have a suspicion that is your situation?

Mostly, the schools that DO like high GPAs, like Stanford, still require very high LSATs, they just choose to further limit their intial pool of students to review by cutting out those with "low" GPAs


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 9:46 am 

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Northwestern and Penn are particularly renowned for high lsat/low gpa.

Others are like everybody else.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 11:42 am 
I would say that Georgetown also favors a high LSAT.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:46 pm 

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Stanford, Berkeley, and UCLA seem to stress GPA relatively more than the other schools, but still lay a great stress on LSAT score.


add YLS to that line up as well


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:56 pm 

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Not really.

YLS won't admit you with low LSAT regardless of your gpa.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:59 pm 

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Not really.

YLS won't admit you with low LSAT regardless of your gpa.


not true.

YLS is definitely more gpa heavy than LSAT heavy.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 1:07 pm 

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I think when you're talking about people that get into yale, GPA heavy refers to 168-172 at the lowest..

I don't really think that's reflective of Stanford dropping to 158-160 in some cases....


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 1:25 pm 

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YLS is definitely more gpa heavy than LSAT heavy.


Agreed. In last year's USNWR rankings, YLS (168-175) was behind HLS (170-176) in LSAT scores, though clearly superior in GPA (HLS=3.68-3.92 vs. YLS=3.79-3.95). This year, even though they've reversed LSAT #s, YLS is clearly GPA-oriented (HLS=3.72-3.95 vs. YLS=3.83-3.97; observe the persistent 0.11-point disparity in 25th percentiles).

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I think when you're talking about people that get into yale, GPA heavy refers to 168-172 at the lowest..


Also true. But I'd still rather be in that low-median LSAT range with a solid GPA than the reverse.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 1:28 pm 

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Fair enough but I don't think it's comparable to other schools in terms of 'forgiveness'.

I won't contest Yale prefers high GPA to high LSAT but you still need a v.good LSAT (168 = 95th+?? percentile...with a 4.0 gpa)...

Northwestern (though flipped in it's priorities) for example let Corsair in with 2.54 and 173.

That to me suggests clear favoritism of one statistic (anecdotally of course), whereas simply a minor variance does not.

Call me crazy though.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 3:20 pm 

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Agreed. In last year's USNWR rankings, YLS (168-175) was behind HLS (170-176) in LSAT scores, though clearly superior in GPA (HLS=3.68-3.92 vs. YLS=3.79-3.95). This year, even though they've reversed LSAT #s, YLS is clearly GPA-oriented (HLS=3.72-3.95 vs. YLS=3.83-3.97; observe the persistent 0.11-point disparity in 25th percentiles).



Theotherken... Harvard's 25th and 75th percentile LSAT scores each fell back a point? That's pretty unusual, right? Most schools in the top 14 most likely stayed the same between the 2 years or possibly advanced slightly.[/quote]


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 4:39 pm 

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From ILRG and USNews (Data are from USNews ranking years, not entering class years):

HLS
2008: 169-175/3.72-3.95
2007: 170-176/3.68-3.92
2006: 169-175/3.73-3.94
2004: 167-173/3.76-3.94
2003: 167-172/3.76-3.95

YLS
2008: 170-176/3.83-3.97
2007: 168-175/3.79-3.95
2006: 168-175/3.79-3.96
2004: 168-174/3.75-3.97
2003: 168-174/3.77-3.93

Bold=higher LSAT, Underline=higher GPA, Italics=Tied 75th percentile LSAT, higher 25th percentile LSAT.

Aside from 2003, in all of the years above (2005 is not on the ILRG site), Yale has dominated Harvard's GPA. Aside from last year and 2006 (when Harvard's 25th percentile was higher than Yale's, but they had the same 75th percentile), Yale has dominated Harvard's LSAT scores. Thus, last year was probably a fluke for Harvard (they also had a drop in their GPAs), and this year they're back to their normal range for both LSAT and GPA. Given that Yale's tendency to dominate GPA is more consistent than the tendency to dominate LSAT, it appears that Yale is weakly GPA-oriented (weaker than I thought before looking at this historical trend, anyway), and that Harvard is more GPA-oriented than a lot of people seem to think.

(As a reference for the top 6, Chicago started the period at 165-172, saw its 75th percentile LSAT decline in 2004 and 2006 as it tightened its 25th percentile LSAT, and finished in 2008 at 168-172, NYU has hovered at 167/168-172, and Columbia and Stanford have experienced slight LSAT upward trends.)


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 10:09 pm 

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theotherken... thanks for the interesting information. Do you happen to have UVa's and Michigan's LSAT trends as well? I was just hoping that we don't see a huge spike in March (not that it will really affect me since I'll already be applied and hopefully admitted to some places by then, I'm just curious what kind of trends we're looking at). Thanks.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 10:48 pm 

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Data for the most recent rankings are here, and the information for previous years is here.


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