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 Post subject: Re: Native American URM Status
PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 3:01 pm 

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lollypotter wrote:
Amplified wrote:
You'd get the boost, but it'd be shady and on dubious grounds. You don't want that stuff coming back to bite you come Character Fitness exam time for the Bar.


stop pretending to know stuff


You cut me deep lollypotter, you cut me deep.


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 Post subject: Re: Native American URM Status
PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 11:26 am 

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Amplified wrote:
lollypotter wrote:
Amplified wrote:
You'd get the boost, but it'd be shady and on dubious grounds. You don't want that stuff coming back to bite you come Character Fitness exam time for the Bar.


stop pretending to know stuff


You cut me deep lollypotter, you cut me deep.


Honestly, I lolled.

The thing is, if you run a bit of a search, tons of info on Native Americans pops up. Past applicants weigh in and the stats themselves are discussed. It's already known that not all URMs are treated the same and the general consensus is that for Native Americans, URM status needs to be demonstrated. In other words, just claiming it is not enough. Probably because of people like this. Adoms are going to require at least a DS and the OP will have to lie on it. Already it's getting too far for most law applicants. The likelihood is that to get a proper boost he is going to need some NA focused activities on his resume as well, or at least membership in some club/group/anything BEFORE he started applying.

Race is self identified so in this murky category it's not that much of a big deal for the bar. BUT it won't help and I think lying like that could prob bite you on the ass in politics/academia later on if it ever came out. Not worth it.


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 Post subject: Re: Native American URM Status
PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 3:05 am 

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 Post subject: Re: Native American URM Status
PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 3:17 am 

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Son of Cicero wrote:
Have you ever heard the wolf cry to the blue corn moon
Or asked the grinning bobcat why he grinned?
Can you sing with all the voices of the mountains?
Can you paint with all the colors of the wind?


lol.

Perhaps the greatest post I've read at TLS so far. Its freaking hilarious.


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 Post subject: Re: Native American URM Status
PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:25 am 

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What is the difference of a NA claiming URM status and not having any ties to the NA community and an african american claiming URM status that has never been to Africa?


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 Post subject: Re: Native American URM Status
PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:57 am 

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lollypotter wrote:
He's making a larger point, which is the one I am also making, and one I know you agree with = ticking the box with no other indications of diversity will not help you. You need something else in your application = a DS, non profit work, something.


But it helps African Americans. You have have the richest kid wander into a school that their numbers would normally prohibit them from just because they checked a box. I know, I've watched it happen. It infuriates me.


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 Post subject: Re: Native American URM Status
PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:11 pm 

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I am a 1/5 Native American and at some point spent time on our reservation, but because I no longer align myself with that culture; i left it off of the "check-box". I touched on it briefly in my diversity statement, but I don't think that if you have never been affiliated with the culture you should claim it.


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 Post subject: Re: Native American URM Status
PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:12 pm 

Joined: Fri May 15, 2009 9:40 pm
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lollypotter wrote:
Amplified wrote:
lollypotter wrote:
Amplified wrote:
You'd get the boost, but it'd be shady and on dubious grounds. You don't want that stuff coming back to bite you come Character Fitness exam time for the Bar.


stop pretending to know stuff


You cut me deep lollypotter, you cut me deep.


Honestly, I lolled.

The thing is, if you run a bit of a search, tons of info on Native Americans pops up. Past applicants weigh in and the stats themselves are discussed. It's already known that not all URMs are treated the same and the general consensus is that for Native Americans, URM status needs to be demonstrated. In other words, just claiming it is not enough. Probably because of people like this. Adoms are going to require at least a DS and the OP will have to lie on it. Already it's getting too far for most law applicants. The likelihood is that to get a proper boost he is going to need some NA focused activities on his resume as well, or at least membership in some club/group/anything BEFORE he started applying.

Race is self identified so in this murky category it's not that much of a big deal for the bar. BUT it won't help and I think lying like that could prob bite you on the ass in politics/academia later on if it ever came out. Not worth it.


I doubt that anyone gets caught by the bar. I agree that race is "murkey" BTW...Anyone have any legit stories?

I was surprised (THIS IS WHAT INFURIATES ME) is when people check being black cuz they are 1/8th. Ivey mentioned this in her book about AA. People game the system all the time. I don't get it, instead of people focused on cheating the system they should just study harder and put more effort into their LSAT. AA exists to help those that have a disadvantage not those who are lazy and want to "game the system"


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 Post subject: Re: Native American URM Status
PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:12 pm 

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sharthree wrote:
I am a 1/5 Native American and at some point spent time on our reservation, but because I no longer align myself with that culture; i left it off of the "check-box". I touched on it briefly in my diversity statement, but I don't think that if you have never been affiliated with the culture you should claim it.


This is how the correct interpretation should be.


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 Post subject: Re: Native American URM Status
PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:32 pm 

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sharthree wrote:
I am a 1/5 Native American and at some point spent time on our reservation, but because I no longer align myself with that culture; i left it off of the "check-box". I touched on it briefly in my diversity statement, but I don't think that if you have never been affiliated with the culture you should claim it.


I have to disagree. Do you really think that being 1/5 Native American has affected you in no way? When people ask you why you look the way you do what do you say? 'Idk I'm tan.'???
There are definitely varying degrees of self association and I know some girls who are less than 1/16th but really associate themselves and their families with their tribe and I think they're totally legitimate in claiming to be native american. For instance there is a girl at my school who participates in all of the NA club activities etc. and she and her family are very very involved in their history but the girl AND her mother both look like they just stepped off the boat from Sweden.

I think it's unlikely though that having a grandparent being native american hasn't affected you at all. I think you should check the box if you want and not feel bad about it.


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 Post subject: Re: Native American URM Status
PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:09 am 

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lawlover829 wrote:
sharthree wrote:
I am a 1/5 Native American and at some point spent time on our reservation, but because I no longer align myself with that culture; i left it off of the "check-box". I touched on it briefly in my diversity statement, but I don't think that if you have never been affiliated with the culture you should claim it.


This is how the correct interpretation should be.


Ethnicity is about genetics, not about whether you "feel" aligned with a particular culture. If you are black and raised in a white neighborhood, you may not feel aligned with the black culture, but it would be lying to say you are a white person. You obviously shouldn't write a personal statement about how your race has effected you if it hasn't, but you should check off every box that you are genetically linked to and let the schools decide if they want to give you some sort of a boost or not.

This is the position that LSAC holds as well. I messaged them asking them if I should check only my primary race or every race that applied to me. They said I should check all that apply.


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